On a recent episode of Dr. Phil Primetime, host Phil McGraw sparked a debate by rejecting the widely used “diversity policy” DEI (Diversity, equity, and inclusion) and equating it with “Marxism”.
– How do you create equal outcomes when people are not equal? Some people are shorter, some people are taller and look over the fence, they can’t both play in the NBA. You can’t create equal outcomes,” the host explained.
The program included several different profiles: two black men, Reverend James Ward Jr. and Erec Smith, a professor at York College of PA, and Rachel Kargas, a DEI advocate, a white woman and human resources manager.
DEI roughly translates to “diversity, equity and inclusion” and is a type of “quota and diversity policy” now widely used by many American companies and organizations to “uplift” and benefit minorities of all kinds.
The conversation covered a wide range of topics. From how DEI is now being applied in American society to its alleged impact on various workplaces.
Pastor Ward criticized the uneven application of DEI in different areas of society and wondered “where are the Asian, Latino, and Hispanic basketball and football players?”.
He also argued that America is in a “new civil war” between ideologies, with DEI advocates trying to “play God” by influencing society.
Kargas, on the other hand, defended DEI by referring to a popular graphic illustration showing the difference between “equality” and “justice”. She argued that DEI is about leveling the playing field and helping certain demographic groups overcome alleged racism, unconscious bias and misogyny.
Dr. Phil blows up mindless DEI robot.
This is beautiful to witness.pic.twitter.com/gpXVnnH1ic
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) April 13, 2024
“Marxism”
Dr. Phil completely rejects the concept of “equal outcomes”, which he says is impossible to achieve because people are biologically born with different conditions.
– How do you create equality of outcome when people aren’t the same? You’re right, some people are shorter, some people are taller looking over that fence, they can’t both play in the NBA. You can’t create equality of outcome. What gives a DEI program the right to come in and try and alter the nature of things to create equality of outcome? That’s been tried, that didn’t work, that was called Marxism.
Kargas responded that she had “worked in recruitment for 25 years” and advocated stricter guidelines to reach a wider audience.
Professor Erec Smith, participating remotely, argued strongly for meritocracy as the best solution for a fair labor market.
– If you apply to or stick to meritocracy, it doesn’t matter whether somebody is playing golf with the CEO or not. It’s about matching those values, those skills that are necessary for the job. Your argument proves that we do need meritocracy, Professor Smith emphasized.